ATW - CAVE Dinner/Entertainment - 2 of 2

See first posting for explanation (1 of 2).
See first posting for explanation (1 of 2).
We arrived in Chan May and drove approximately 40 miles (1.5 hours) to Hue (pronounced Way), which was the capital of Vietnam from 1802-1945. The city served as the old Imperial City and administrative capital for the Nguyễn dynasty and emperors home. The Imperial City is a walled enclosure within the Citadel constructed from 1803-1833 with 147 works, finished under Emperor Gia Long but mostly served in a ceremonial function during the French Colonial Period, (1898-1954). After the “end of the 143 year monarchy” in 1945, the area suffered heavy damage as well as neglect during the Indochina Wars (1st French War in Vietnam, 2nd Vietnam War, 3rd with Cambodia and China through the 1980s.
Citadel, most known for being a UNESCO-designated World Cultural Heritage site since 1993, is a development of the Imperial City of Hue Monuments, palaces, shrines, gardens, villas and the Purple Forbidden City.
It is surrounded by a 1.2 mile wall on all sides and a moat that we had to cross by foot as we made our way around the entire grounds. The defense system is made of an outer ring, the gate, the lakes and moat, the bridge and the observatory. There are 4 entrances/exits. The main door (is Ngo Mon -South , the Hien Nhon gate- East, Chuong Duc gate - West, and Hoa Binh gate in the North. The bridges and lakes dug around the outside of the citadel are named Kim Thuy.
We spent half of the day walking around and learning about the history of this complex which had damage during the Vietnam War but many buildings have been restored or are in the process of a long-term restoration project. There were many Vietnamese that were also there and they come all dressed up to honor the past.
The Imperial Citadel and the entire inner palace system are arranged on a symmetrical axis, in which the central axis is covered with works only for the king. Although there are many large and small projects built in the Imperial Citadel area, all are placed in the middle of nature with large and small lakes, flower gardens, stone bridges, islands and shady perennial trees. Structures are of different sizes, but all made in the style of known as "snail coin" (see photos), which is a double-roof house on the top of a platform, placed on a high stone foundation, with Thanh stone pavement, “bat trang tiled” floor (photos), the roof is covered with a special type of glazed tubular tile called Thanh lapis lazuli (if blue) or Hoang lapis (yellow) tile. The columns are painted in the motif of dragon-cloud. The interior of the palace is often decorated in the style of one poem and one picture with lots of poetry in Chinese characters and wooden carvings.
As you can see, it was quite a “city” to experience and along with the history it made you feel as if you could picture being there during that time period.Читать далее
We then visited the seven story Thien Mu Pagoda dated to the early 1600s. The name of the pagoda comes from a legend that an old woman appeared on the hill where the pagoda stands today, telling local people that a Lord would come and build a Buddhist pagoda for the country’s prosperity. Lord Nguyen Hoang therefore ordered the construction of the pagoda the “Heaven Fairy Lady” or Thiên Mụ in Vietnamese. Several kings of the Nguyen Dynasty such as Gia Long, Minh Mang, Thieu Tri and Thanh Thai, all had the pagoda restored. The initial temple was in a very simple form of construction, but as time went by, it has been redeveloped and expanded with more intricate features.
The key feature of the pagoda, the Phuoc Duyen tower was built in 1884 by King Thieu Tri and has become the unofficial symbol of Hue and most importantly, its Imperial times. This octagonal tower has seven stories, which is dedicated to a Buddha who appeared in human form. It is the highest stupa in Vietnam, and is the subject of folk rhymes.
To the left of the tower is a pavilion sheltering an enormous bronze casted bell, Dai Hong Chung, cast in 1710 by Lord Nguyen Phuc Chu. It is famous for the great size, which is 8’ high and 7242 pounds. weigh. To the right of the tower is a pavillion containing a monument dated from 1715 on the back of a massive marble turtle, a symbol of longevity, and is 8.5’ high.
During the summer of 1963, Thien Mu Pagoda, like many in South Vietnam, became a key place for anti-government protests (in particular after 9 protesters died there). South Vietnam’s Buddhist majority had long been discontented with the rule of President Ngo Dinh Diem since 1955. Diem had was against Buddhists in the army, public service and distribution of government aid. Today, the pagoda is surrounded by flowers and ornamental plants. At the far end of the garden stretches a calm and romantic pine-tree forest.
As an aside, here is some interesting information on the dress of the people (mostly women).
AO DAI are the long dresses dated to the 1700s are influenced by Chinese and worn as part of the many traditional Vietnamese costumes with long flowing gowns, and with slits up both sides to the waist. They are often made of cotton, but formal dress is silk. More modern versions have silk pants underneath and are much more form fitting on the top (so I am told). The designs are mostly simple if at all and at times are floral or simple checkerboard. Some versions these days (created by designers) are shapelier and are made of see thru fabrics making them attractive to younger people.Читать далее
We had a beautiful lunch across the Perfume River (yes, it does smell from perfume) and it was accompanied by calm interesting local music (see video).
Our next stop was a town where their primary business was making straw conical (the triangular ones) hats and incense. It was very interesting to watch them make these hats with intricate designs and some that could only be seen when light reflected through them. Of course, their skill, dexterity, and speed in making them was amazing. Conical hats have been made and worn by Vietnamese people for some 3,000 years and are now considered a symbol of Vietnamese culture. These hats can protect wearers from the sun and rain and are also fashionable. Not easy to make: first, material leaves are sun-dried and then soaked in water for about three hours and hung out overnight until they become soft and turn into beautiful ivory color. Then, material leaves are ironed at warm temperature to have a new look, and become smoother and nicer. To turn material leaves into a conical hat, the hat maker whittles thin round bamboo slats and bends them around a frame holder of 16 hems of different diameters. A hat is usually made from two layers of leaves sown together with thin plastic thread. When sewing, the hat maker also adds two fringe hangings on the underside of the hat for wearers to tie a colorful silk ribbon for use as a chin trap. When the sewing is complete, the hat maker adds the finishing touch on the hat, applying a thin coat of varnish made of turpentine mixed with alcohol to increase its gloss, durability and waterproofing.
A “poem conical hat” is made from two layers of leaves with a translucent paper inscribed with poems and drawings inserted between them. The poems and images will appear when the hat is exposed to direct sunlight, giving it the name of “poem conical hat”. Unlike other hats, a horse conical hat is made of 10 layers of carefully dried palm leaves and embroidered with flowers of four seasons, beautiful landscapes or different patterns which used to reflect the ranks of wearers. This is JUST the basics.
Vietnamese people burn incense as a beautiful custom, in death anniversaries and Tet holidays. Vietnamese incense is like a sacred bridge connecting the alive and the spiritual realm. The custom of burning incense was started in Egypt about 3.500 years ago, then passed through China 2,000 years ago and followed the step of Chinese migrants to other Asian countries. Vietnam is one of which has absorbed that special culture.
In the subconscious of every Vietnamese always exists a belief that somewhere in the infinity, there are powers, invisible “people” who are following them, standing by them to listen to their sincere wishes sent with the smoke of incense once it is burnt. A stick of incense in Vietnam plays the role of a sacred connection between the land of the living and the afterworld. Therefore, Vietnamese incense sticks burning is considered a traditional rite indispensable on every occasion. No matter urban or rural, lowland or highland, whenever New Year comes, all houses light sticks of incense and stick them on the ancestral altar to show respect to the former generations, pray for peace and happiness to everyone and let the atmosphere be more warm and joyful.
The incense must be lit in odd numbers 1,3,5,7,9 since in Oriental culture, odd numbers represent positive energy and good luck while even numbers like 2,4,6,8 represent negativeness, carrying heavy miasma (heavy bad odor). Incense in Vietnam is burnt in different number with different purpose: Burn 1 incense stick to pray for peace, fortune and happiness, Burn 3 incense sticks to remind themselves of being calm and kind, Burn 5 incense sticks before big events, needing the observation of sky and earth so that everything can go on in a smooth way and Burn 9 incense sticks in an emergency, in a dilemma when you don’t know what to do.
On the way to Tu Duc tomb and Vong Canh hill, we visited Thuy Xuan to learn about incense making with its distinctive fragrance and high quality. The first step to make incense is collecting 5 materials: cinnamon, cardamom, clove, anise and eucalyptus. They are well mixed with water. Then, the incense “dough” is coated around thin bamboo sticks mostly made in the Nam Dong district (that’s an entirely other complicated process). Then, incenses are dried under the sun. Incenses come in various scents such as cinnamon, lemongrass essential oils, etc. Bamboo sticks used to be only painted brown or red. Now they come in a variety of colors such as purple and yellow. To watch this procedure and how they cover the fanned out (to dry) sticks is amazing.
Now onto the tomb - Lang Tu Ducs tomb (one of the longest reigning monarchs) has unique architecture and perfect harmony with the natural landscape. Tu Duc Royal Tomb was built in the Nguyen Dynasty, started its construction in 1864 with fifty thousand soldiers participating. At this time, the tomb was named Van Nien Co. In order to build the tomb to stay on track in 6 years, hundreds of thousands of people worked on it around the clock. In 1873, the tomb was completed and Tu Duc Emperor still lived for more than 10 years in this place before passing away. Tu Duc Emperor wanted to have a large space to compensate for his difficult life, so he put his heart into his own tomb. The result is Tu Duc Tomb Total Square is about 30 acres.
The layout of the tomb includes nearly 50 large and small buildings scattered in clusters on the land. All the buildings in this overall architecture are accompanied by the word “Khiem” (ironically meaning “modest”).
When you enter and walk the long walkway, the first temple you reach is the former resting place for the emperor. The first building is Chi Khiem Chamber, which worships the wives of the emperor. Then the Khiem Cung Gate, a two-story building with Luu Khiem Lake at the front. This lake is considered a mini park thanks to Tinh Khiem island located right in the middle. On this island, the emperor planted flowers and raised rare animals.
When going inside Khiem Cung Gate, you can reach the king’s resting place named Hoa Khiem Palace. It is located in a central location where the king took care of the country business, but now it is the place to worship the tablets of the king and queen. The king gave Luong Khiem Temple to worship his spirit mother, Mrs. Tu Du.
In the tomb, the king built a royal theater named Minh Khiem Chamber (Minh Khiem Duong) to serve his interests on the opera plays, which is considered one of the oldest theaters of Vietnam. There is a corridor from On Khiem Palace which is the living place of the king’s concubines.
The first tomb area is located behind the worshipping area and named Bai Dinh with two rows of statues of officials to serve the king when he goes across the world. After Bai Dinh is Stele Pavilion (Bi Dinh), which has a 20-ton Thanh Hoa stone steel with the inscription “Khiem Cung Ky” written by the king himself. Khiem Cung Ky has 4,935 words, tells about the life, career, success, failure of the king. Behind the steel are two pillars symbolizing the king’s authority and virtue. Tieu Khiem Lake is shaped like a moon that contains rainwater to wash the soul king before his transcendence!
On the hill across the Tieu Khiem Tri Lake, you can see Buu Thanh built of bricks and in the middle is the mausoleum of Emperor Tu Duc built on 3 floors of stones, but no one knows exactly if the king’s body is really here.
The entire area is laid out in circles and has a certain peaceful harmony and stillness that makes it less of a tomb and more of a park like setting.Читать далее
We gathered, We studied and We ate! What a beautiful morning.
With a little (ok, a lot of) planning with the food and beverage manager, cruise director, general manager, executive chef, maî·tre d' and all their staff, the ship arranged a private breakfast for 30 of us in the dining room. Not only did they organize a separate area for us to dine and enjoy celebrating Shavuot together, the food was so special.
In addition to the entire breakfast menu normally offered in the dining room, we had 10 special platters of bagels, cream cheese and lox, quiche, mac and cheese, tuna noodle casserole, potato kugel, challah, Israeli salad, and the best cheesecake we ever had!
We also had cappuccinos, although I'm pretty sure that they didn’t at Sinai (or eat with crystal, silver and Versace china … like we did.Читать далее
GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!
(Note: see the May 24th posting for our overall writeup of Vietnam)
For those that remember this movie (Robin Williams’ memory will always be for a blessing), this story was a snapshot of the insanity that went on for the 10 years spent fighting this war/conflict on behalf of freedom and democracy. The movie is a story portraying a time shen it was often impossible to tell the “good guys” from the "bad guys”. We call this posting SAIGON rather than Ho Chi Minh city (its actual name since the war) for a few reasons: it is the name that most of the locals still use and is often on signs and posters as well as stores, it is a name that is associated with a memory that most Americans remember and lastly, Bruce has seen the Broadway Show (9 times) and been so moved by it that he would consider it wrong to call it anything else.
Saigon, 800 square miles and a population of over 9 million people with a median age of 34 and with 60% under 30 years old (who all seem to be on motor scooters… at the same time) is a living example of Communism With Free Trade, a socialist market driven economy, is a growing and thriving city that has grown to a major capitalist city in the last 30 years with the help of World Bank loans and now many foreign investments.
When you wonder how this Country is so capitalist driven although it is still a Communist nation (limited press, news and internet, etc), you need to look at how North Vietnam and eventually the entire Country became Communist, "just" as a way out of French Colonialism ... and Communism seemed the easiest path at the time. The kSaigon River meets Saigon on the East and forms an estuary as part of the Mekong Delta and near the South China Sea, making it quite a strategic location by sea.
During our tour this day we saw the U.S. Embassy in Saigon built in 1952 and moved in 1967, infamous for the Viet Cong attack during the Tet Offensive and for the Fall of Saigon and the helicopter evacuation of over 20,000 prior to the surrender by South Vietnam as the embassy closed and the war ended. Ironically, on April 15, last month, Secretary of State Antony Blinken was in HANOI to break ground on a new $1.2B US Embassy there. He indicated that over the past 27 years, the relationship between Vietnam and the US has continually strengthened.
We drove down Ham Nghi Street in District 1 the heart of the city, one of the most well-known public places and places to be seen in Saigon https://www.historicvietnam.com/ham-nghi/ and then drove to Le Duan Street, the street of foreign embassies and Reunification Hall. We also saw the U.S. Former Commanders Chief house and Gia Long Palace, (at one point the Palace for the French and Japanese) now officially the Ho Chi Minh City Museum and the Independence Palace (the site of the Fall of Saigon when a North Vietnamese Army tank crashed through its gates).
It was a busy day and in addition to the above the most moving places and where we spent a significant part of the day was the War Remnants Museum and Chu Chi tunnel.
To know what to expect of the War Remnants Museum all you need to do is look at the museum’s name prior to 1995, “Exhibition House for Crimes of War and Aggression”. This Ho Chi Minh City government run museum, displays what they consider War Crimes and their consequences inflicted on the Vietnamese people by the U.S.
Exhibits like “Requiem” (of photographs of the Vietnam war), “World Supports Vietnam in its Resistance to US Aggression”, “Imprisonment System” and “Agent Orange Consequences” give you an idea of how disturbing this museum is for visitors. See a few of the disturbing exhibits in the photos attached. This city did not see much of the fighting in the war but from the exhibits here you would think the war was fought here.
A difficult morning!Читать далее
Originally constructed under the jungle terrain, connecting tunnels during the Indochina war (1945-1954) against the French colonialists, the Cu Chi tunnels served as hiding spots for troops to discreetly commute between regions and evade French scouts. These tunnels were often dug by hand, only a short distance at a time. These tunnels were then expanded and became to be a strong advantage during the Vietnam War.
During the worst fighting in Vietnam 1966-1970, Cu Chi tunnels served as the most strategic location and base for Communist attacks near South Vietnam. At the end of the Ho Chi Minh trails to the North, to Saigon and to the Cambodian border, the Cu Chi tunnels were used by Viet Cong soldiers to hide during combat, as well as communication and supply routes, hospitals, food and weapon storage and living quarters for North Vietnamese fighters. The Viet Cong dug tens of thousands of miles of tunnels, to house troops and supplies, lay booby traps and mount surprise attacks, after which they could disappear underground to safety.
As the United States relied heavily on aerial bombing, North Vietnamese and VC troops went underground to survive. The Cu Chi tunnels grew to house entire underground villages as VC soldiers lurking in the tunnels set numerous booby traps for U.S. and South Vietnamese soldiers, planting trip wires that would set off grenades (or other torture devices- see photos).
YES, we had an opportunity to crawl through a tunnel, view command centers and booby traps (we did not fire an AK-47 rifle although you can hear them in the video we have posted).Читать далее
An overview of Saigon in photos (the "lightest" part of the day), motor bikes and stores galore. An interesting stop at a place where handicapped Vietnamese are trained on how to make art out of broken egg shells. Yes, we did buy a piece of art work ... our first purchase at all in over 4 months (but you will have to wait until we get home to see it since its not in the photos).
Note: the first photo of The Kiss by Klimt is the background for our Ketubah, marriage license. This weeks Torah portion, Beha'alosecha, is about marriage and commitment of two people to learn to merge their lives together in harmony and love.Читать далее
On this Memorial Day, as we are in Saigon today, it seems so appropriate to post this photo of the Washington DC Vietnam Veterans Memorial with bipartisan participation in honoring those more than 58,000 American who gave their lives or remain missing.
"Bipartisan group of lawmakers clean Vietnam Veterans Memorial ahead of Memorial Day" -cnn
In Washington, honoring America’s Vietnam veterans is not a partisan issue. A bipartisan group of lawmakers, including military veterans Reps. Mike Waltz and Seth Moulton, participated in a volunteer cleaning of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial ahead of Memorial Day. Waltz, a combat-decorated Green Beret, has led the effort in hand-washing the memorial in Washington in recent years.
“It’s good for us as members of Congress to come down here to see these 58,000 names,” Waltz, a Florida Republican, told Jake Tapper on “CNN This Morning.” “This is good for Americans to see us coming together, setting our differences aside and appreciating that freedom isn’t free,” Waltz said.
Waltz said the effort was important to appreciate Vietnam War veterans.“We learn so much from them about what they went through when veterans weren’t appreciated” because “the country had, for the first time in history, turned against them.”
“We’ll do this every year and I’ll try to do this every year I’m in Congress,” Waltz pledged.
Moulton, a Massachusetts Democrat, described participating in the event as “incredibly powerful” and an opportunity “to appreciate what they gave to America, what they gave to all of us, to a country that at the time didn’t even appreciate their sacrifices.”
Moulton, a Marine, added that the effort serves as “a reminder of all the young men and women who are still out there, standing on the ramparts of freedom around the globe and are counting on us to come together and do the right thing in Washington.”
Moulton also noted efforts to construct a 9/11 war memorial, which has recently been sited between the Vietnam Veterans and Lincoln Memorials, saying that it would be “a prominent place on the Mall – on the National Mall – for all those we’ve lost so recently.”
Michigan GOP Rep. Jack Bergman, a retired lieutenant general and a Vietnam veteran, reflected Thursday on his visits to the memorial.
“Normally I come here alone,” he told Tapper. “Once I get here, I’m never alone because I know who I’m visiting.”
As Congress remains divided along party lines on raising the debt ceiling ahead of a potential default, the volunteer cleaning helped two congressmen from opposite sides of the aisle realize that they have more in common than they previously thought.
Reps. Jim Baird, an Indiana Republican, and Mike Thompson, a California Democrat, said they learned they both had been stationed at Georgia’s Fort Moore, were wounded in Vietnam and are married to nurses.
“We’re here to work together for the American people and maybe that’ll help us get there,” Thompson said.Читать далее
ПутешественникVery nice tribute to our fallen who gave us their full measure of devotion the Altar of Freedom. Thanks for sharing. Mucho love ❤️. Be safe.
Day 2 in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) - We were here 6 years ago and seen the “tourist sites”. Yesterday we took a tour and went to the Museum and the Caves as well as drove around town for a long day here (see posting), so we decided today would be an easy day of walking around. What a strange day. Why?
- We are in Saigon. Always torn as to how Americans feel coming back to this city after “The Conflict”.
- Today is Memorial Day in the United States - a day where we are usually with American Flags at a parade and BBQ … neither today.
- We have just spent an entire 10 hour day immersed in discussions of the war, visiting the disturbing government museum that very blatantly exhibits a one sided story of how Americans “acted inappropriately” here with very graphic illustrations of “what we did”.
- We went to the jungles and caves where the VC hid, areas where torture went on. We saw the actual torture devices and devices used to camouflage and then kill soldiers in ways that are beyond almost anyone’s imagination.
- So what do you do as a dichotomy from this? Get an incredibly, indulging massage in Vietnam!
- That’s what we did!
The Vietnamese style of massage is rooted in Chinese (and a few Thai, Japanese and Swedish) traditions. Focused on working out knots in muscles through kneading techniques, the prime focus is de-stressing the body (most people are more familiar with Thai massages using muscle stretching techniques). The traditional Vietnamese massage technique, or “Tam quat” (body), is a technique focusing on stimulating blood circulation by punching and clapping on the treatment areas. It relieves pain by putting pressure directly on the afflicted muscle to help you relaxed. We did have lots of punching and clapping/percussion! Other techniques they applied with oils were sustained hand-palm pressure, acupressure on Qi acupoints (using thumbs, fingers, and knuckles), and a variety of stretches.
Our therapists (I had a woman and Karen had a man) began with cucumber wrap on our faces. Then they focused on the scalp, back, neck, shoulders, and head for immediate relaxation. After working rather intensely on the back muscles and spinal region, our legs and feet were treated to an incredible foot massage and reflexology, cracking every toe “knuckle” and massaging every nook and cranny. This was followed by legs, arms, hands, stomach, and chest. Next were hot stone treatment on our backs …oooooh.
Were we done? Oh no! The last step of the treatment was when our therapists climbed all over us with their knees, legs, arms, elbows, and feet. Yes, they walked on our backs and cracked parts that I didn’t think are supposed to crack! After that up close and personal adventure, she picked me up on her back (back to back) and pulled me and stretched my body over hers. Hard to describe. When she was done and let me down, I asked this, petite girl, if I hurt her. In her “only English words the entire session, she said, “Yes, you killed me!”. I thought I might have. Whew, we were finished.
Wow, this full 90+ minute massage surely relaxed, and invigorated, relieved foot pain I had as well as neck issues and detoxed, “cleared” my digestive system out (if you know what I mean), and relaxed both of us (hard to stand up) but then gave us energy to sprint back to the ship that was leaving in half an hour!
Now, that was a fun experience....... I feel great the next day (when I am writing this footprint).Читать далее
ПутешественникNice and unique! We have never had a massage quite like this one!
ПутешественникOh my - your descriptions of the massage were so complete. I think I would have been scared when a guy started walking on my back. Sounds like it really worked 👍
ПутешественникIt was the most memorable massage! We will tell you more when we see you as the visuals add to the story…
Ummm, I couldn’t survive that unique massage! Can’t wait to really hear the detailed nuances when you return to the USA! [esther miller]
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Love your smile Karen. And her clothes/headdress are amazing! Stunning!
ПутешественникThanks Laura!
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Wow!